rukenshin ([info]rukenshin) wrote,
@ 2005-08-19 20:37:00
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Current mood: ecstatic

Unbelievable Fafnir fight...

I'm still shaking... It was so much fun, but wow it was intense...

I'm going to talk about what was the most fun/crazy/intense Fafnir fight I've been in first, before I get on to the other things that have been going on. :)

This update will be about the Fafnir fight, quick update on CoP progress, Breeze Gorget tests, and some other misc stuff.

  • Fafnir.. With 2 people?

It's a bit of a story, but here it goes....

It starts off with a handful of people in our LS gathered in Dragon's Aery, along with 2-3 people from Galleon (another HNM LS camping Fafnir), and more from both linkshells on the way. Fafnir happens to pop on the first window with almost no one there, and we accidently claim it... We didn't have enough to even attempt to hold, so they all had to Teleport-Dem.;;

Shortly after this I arrived, followed by Lhexh (who was currently playing on Seoul's level 75 RDM)... With Fafnir now sitting unclaimed, it was just me and him in Dragon's Aery from our linkshell, while Galleon had a group of about 5 people together at the time and more closing in. After discussing it briefly in the LS, we both got ready and engaged Fafnir just before Galleon went for it... We started it as NIN and RDM/WHM.

A majority of the linkshell was still in the Boyahda Tree/Sanctuary of Zitah/home nations, so we had to hold it until the others arrived... Ended up holding the big thing for 10 minutes until other people started to arrive. It was so crazy. :o

I put on all the evasion gear I had (forgot to eat blind potions though ;;), and tanked it spamming debuffs/ninjutsu while Lhexh did his best to debuff/keep me hasted/cured... It was so nerve wrecking and intense... I was just barely getting off Utsesumi in time to keep shadows up, and against what I first thought Fafnir has a fast TP regen that I never realized. I figured that we could hold it and as long as I don't take damage it won't spam TP attacks, since it wouldn't get any TP from anywhere, but apparently it's just nonstop TP attacks whenever it wants to... Horror, Absolute Terror, Dragon Breath, it did all of them a bunch of times in the 10 minutes save Hurricane Wing (once). Even with Absolute Terror though we managed to hold it fine. =)

We attempted to damage it just in case GMs were around (which were never even called), but his regen > my ninjutsu + RDM nukes ; ;.. Here is a screen of us holding it:

About 10 minutes later the others finally start to arrive in Dragon's Aery;

First few people to arrive were Jamz (PLD) and Xoimang (WHM).. Then a few minutes later the rest came in within 2-3 minutes of eachother.. It ended up being me and Baudan (NIN) tanking for the rest of the fight up until about 20%, and from there I ended up solo tanking it for most of the remainder.. Until the last few percent when Jamz and Gilgameshdux (PLD) started back up tanking.

I've never felt/experienced anything like that, it was really nerve wrecking but awesome at the same time.. Any little mistake could've got me killed pretty fast, but luckily I managed to pull it off.. We don't normally use NIN on Fafnir/Nidhogg, and the only times we do it was with them back-up tanking.. Going from that to main tank on it is a huge jump, but it was a lot of fun.. Stressful as hell though, don't think I've ever focused so hard on the game before.. lol;;

In full evasion gear and blind potions with Fafnir blinded it's hitrate was actually a lot worse then I thought it could be, I think it dipped as low as maybe 30-50%..

Most it missed me in a row with evasion gear on was 5.. All of that and we still killed in under 60 minutes to avoid the super Fafnir. :)

And... We got great drops to make it all worth it

The feeling I have from holding it with just two people, and then being the main tank for a majority of the fight afterwards, is just indescribable... A great feeling from this game that I've missed. :)

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  • Under the sea...

This place is still a mystery :\..

Recently we've been gathering different deeds together.. And going for the items needed to get the 3 new mage capes.. We managed to successfully get one cape, but after trying for another and wasting a good what?.. 8 hours?.. We couldn't get it.

It's so rediculously confusing to pop the NM needed for the cape items, just about anything we speculate about it later ends up wrong/inaccurate.. We got the spawn positions down, how often it pops and how long, and can all get to them fast, but no matter how many times we examine it we'll get "You sense and unknown presence" message... Then completely random out of no where, one person will get a different message that pops the NM. We only had this happen once, after hours and hours of checking under different conditions and clearing the rooms and doing everything we could think of, and couldn't get the message again... ::sigh::

Anyway.. Mostly we've been farming the bitch Jailer of Faith, probably among the hardest of the NMs we've fought.. I posted about him in a previous entry too, he's the Breakga/StonegaIV/QuakeII guy.

We fought it twice, and both times no deed dropped ><... It's getting more aggravating then anything. It's like facing beefed up sky triggers with much more powerful TP attacks and spells that only drop the actual trigger around 30-50% of the time... And are a pain to get to. It's not even much fun anymore, I really think SE went a little too far with this horrible trigger item drop-rate to add on top of the difficulty..

::sigh::

I pulled a Miruka on one of them and got hit by Quake II with no Utsesumi up, doh.... It casts it pretty fast. ><

And Baudan shortly after..

We didn't want Miruka to feel stupid for being the only one to eat that Stone IV from Kirin on NIN, so we did it too on this guy out of sympathy.. yeah, that's it....

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  • Breeze Gorget Tests

After a good 2-3 months of trying to get a gorget, I finally got it..

It takes a really long time to get all the organs together when you're soloing, especially if you don't have any type of TH (usually went /THF because of that).. Probably got like 15k exp in total from farming there, minus 2-3 deaths (damn BLM aerns). The hardest part though was getting the people to fight the NMs, I had all the other organs within 2-3 weeks, but couldn't get an NM fight for a while after.

On top of that, the Ul'Yovra (weaker NMs) have a HORRIBLE drop rate, and were just about the only NMs we could take with our small group... Each kill we had TH and each kill we got nothing, for 9 kills.. Not to mention they take forever to repop, and so once you kill 2 you're basically done. The Om'Yovra are too hard to take without a solid group of people, but they seem to have a close to 100% droprate. A few times we were able to kill the weaker ones without a problem as NIN, BRD, BRD, WHM.. But we couldn't kill the hard ones, it started spamming charm and messing us up, and then it'd regen like crazy. :|

Then for a while, even after getting the 2 NM organs, I was clueless on which method SE uses to activate the latent on the gorget... I've heard it working based on the color next to the icon and based on the possible properties of the weapon skill in a skillchain, after a lot of reading I decided to just go with the skillchain properties. Which also required me to farm a whole new set of organs. -.-

But finally, in the end I got it:

http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/9572/renkei310zl.gif

http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=69415

Based on the information from those two links above.. That gorget will work with Slug Shot, Sidewinder, Steel Cyclone, and Blade:Jin.. Need I ask for more? All of my main job's most powerful weapon skills, so it was perfect. :)

Although, I still wasn't certain about the skillchain properties part being correct... So I went out and did a quick test on my RNG.

I went into East Ronfaure as RNG/SAM and tried out slug shot on the little poor and defenseless bunnies... I put the distance plugin on and made sure I was always at the same range for each weapon skill, and kept the same equipment and food on for the entire time; only changed from the Breeze Gorget to a Peacock Charm.

Here are my first 3 slug shots with a Breeze Gorget on:

All three of them hit for 2377.. I was orignally going to try 5 times, but I figured it wouldn't be worth it... It's safe to assume that I would probably still hit for 2377.

Here are the three without the gorget:

All of them without the gorget were lower than before with the gorget.. Although not by much. :|

I could do more testing if asked, but I'm satisfied with what I've seen... It's safe to say it effects it, which would make the skillchain property choice correct.. I'll probably do more messing around with it in the future.

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  • Misc..

Mostly just pictures from the recent organ farming for the Breeze Gorget, and some of my highest weapon skill damage. >:D

This one beats my old record for highest Blade:Jin on a farming mob, a DC Hpemde that wasn't berserked.. So it still counts. ;D

Then, buried my old 1900 record for the highest overall Blade:Jin (ignoring Boreal hound, lol).. With these two:

Both with just Berserk, Warcry, Bison Steak, and a double attack.. Sylphet was helping me farm, and giving Ballad and March, no attack songs. :D

And within another hour we had a pretty big group of people who were also interested in organs/skill up /exp..

It went pretty good, at one point we got 11 Phaubo organs in a row.. Giving me all I needed for the Breeze Gorget. :)


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[info]chupunpupun
2005-08-20 07:05 am UTC (link)
I think the ACC boost from the gorget is more worthwhile then the dmg especially for mutihit WS. Also, the higher the TP modifier of the WS the less dmg bonus you will get since it adds .1 and not 10% to the TP modifier. So slug/wider's TP modifier is 5.00 with the gorget you get 5.10. Which is 2% increase and if you look at your dmg, 2% of 2334 is about 46 extra dmg. So the dmg with gorget and without gorget is pretty close. Correct me if I'm wrong ;3. It's pretty disappointing but I pray the ACC bonus is higher then the dmg since using a WS on any high lvl NM by melee without SATA has a high rate of mising-_-.

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[info]kuraiholy
2005-08-20 07:28 am UTC (link)
totally coming out of left field with very little knowledge, could that have been a damage cap he was hitting due to it's consistency? If that's the case then the real modifier is unknown and would /really/ hard to test.


and ruk you're awesome for the fafnir bit man ;x lol

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[info]chupunpupun
2005-08-20 09:19 am UTC (link)
Damage cap or not, what is known is that the bonus the gorget gives is .1 to the TP modifier. Even without looking at the damage, you can tell the increase in damage is minimial. The only other situation that haven't been tested is using it with a muti-hit WS. Asuran Fist being the prime target. Eight hits at 1.00 TP modifier per hit so with the gorget it would be 1.10x8 which, theoretically, makes Asuran Fist deal the damage of a nine hit Asuran Fist. Anyway, if you think about it, it's not really a bad piece of neck. What other neck piece can give you a boost of 2% dmg and ACC during WS?

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[info]chupunpupun
2005-08-20 09:24 am UTC (link)
Forgot to mention that the JPs cracked the dmg bonus modifier. If you need the link I can give you....

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[info]kuraiholy
2005-08-20 09:40 pm UTC (link)
ah I thought you were making the calculations from the damage increase he had, not that it was already figured out completely. Gotcha lol.

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-27 10:26 pm UTC (link)
I have to say I was unimpressed with the results from my Breeze Gorget... and Im not convinced that the popular theory about the latent is correct.. Chu, I have seen your log journal and the info you have posted on different sites but... after doing my own tests with the Breeze Gorget + Blade Jin I have come to the conclusion it does nothing. I tried to factor in and take account of the multiple variables that could change my results and still have come up with the dmg/acc bonus being non exsistant in 50+ tests. However... when I did the same with gust slash... it proved to boost the dmg considerably under the same conditions. I know that Jin is only a 3 hit WS and supposedly the gorgets do more for multihit WSs but... well... lets just say I hope Im wrong and I didnt wast hours getting this damn thing

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[info]rukenshin
2005-08-29 06:33 am UTC (link)
No offense meant... But I hope you're wrong too ;;..

Wasted waaaay too much time on getting this gorget. >

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[info]rukenshin
2005-08-20 04:56 pm UTC (link)
I agree... I honestly don't think that damage increase is worth it on most weapon skills, but the accuracy increase for multi-hit ones (like Blade:Jin) will probably overall help out a lot in maxing out the damage.

But yeah, I agree with your information... I'm going to try to test it out more too, dynamis run tonight. :D

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-21 01:27 am UTC (link)
Do people have any idea how much accuracy these gorgets add to WS?

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[info]rukenshin
2005-08-21 01:54 am UTC (link)
Mostly rumors.. But it's generally believe to be a 5 to 10% increase in accuracy. Which is still more then you can get from any neck piece at this level.

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[info]mcclane_
2005-08-20 10:31 am UTC (link)
I'm spending more time looking at your inventory then at your ws dmg :o /drool

The most fun is doing something with as little people as possible, bigger challenge :) tho at HNM's it not really an option most of the time.

Sea is indeed really really really gay, I haven't fought any jailers yet (need to get sam up to ditch rng :) well sorta...) but it seems like you spend more time looking to pop the NM then fighting the NM itself. The low droprates make it even worse.

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[info]rukenshin
2005-08-20 05:06 pm UTC (link)
lol XD..

It really is so much more fun to try things with smaller numbers, and the feeling from succeding when doing it is what really makes this game great :D.. Too bad it can't really be done more often without breaking a rule or getting people upset. =(

And yes, I feel the SAME exact way about sea... We definately spend waaay more time looking to pop the NM then fighting it, and this is without competition.. I can't imagine how bad it could get when sea turns into sky (even though that may be a long time away)... And the low droprates just rub it in more. ; ;

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-20 05:36 pm UTC (link)
about Fafnir, mobs gain TP from magic attacks too, thus the ninjitsu + RDM nukes would lead to TP gain.

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[info]rukenshin
2005-08-20 05:51 pm UTC (link)
Yep... But for the first 5 minutes or so we didn't use any kind of damage spells whatsoever, and it was still using TP attacks... If it didn't use any TP attacks then we wouldn't have attempted to damage it to avoid them, but since it was we just tried it anyway.

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[info]motsu
2005-08-20 05:41 pm UTC (link)
you forgot to hide your gil in one of the shots~ but who cares? everyone can tell you're "rich" (to be honest i was expecting to see 10m+ actually lol) just by your gear so meh :p

i have to say, reading about your nin has somewhat inspired me to pick up XI again and give it a go as Nin.. no idea how Nins make their money though until they hit 75 and all the options open up @.@ any pointers would be appreciated.. my nin's only 24 right now, have leaping boots and pin lol, only 350k or so to spare

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[info]rukenshin
2005-08-20 06:21 pm UTC (link)
lol ;;.. Forgot one ><

I've blown a lot of my money on my WAR equipment.. And plan to blow another 12 mil or so once I get it higher... So I'll probably be broke soon, lol..

Best advice would be NM hunting, or at least that's what I ended up doing to make money early in the game^^;... Farming is also pretty good if you find some of the items in the game that are often not farmed. Same goes for crafting... but allw ays take a good deal of patience, if you have that then you should be fine. :)

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[info]motsu
2005-08-20 06:26 pm UTC (link)
don't worry about it man XD you shouldn't even bother blacking it out really~

NM hunting at this low of a level? >.> highest I could go with is like 37 war/thf right now lol. I think I'll be ok for a little bit as Nin though till I end up being "broke".

As for crafting, as far as I knew crafting was a waste / loss of money until it's maxed? x.x I always wanted a high level craft but.. leveling a craft + nin lol..

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[info]rukenshin
2005-08-21 01:52 am UTC (link)
It is, but once it's up to 90-100 it can be a really good money maker paired with some luck.

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[info]miruka
2005-08-20 10:16 pm UTC (link)
Bigmouth Billy :3

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[info]rukenshin
2005-08-21 01:53 am UTC (link)
Meanface Miruka :3

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-20 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Iteresting results on the breeze groget. Wonder if the DMG boost is better on higher lvl mobs because 43 dmg isnt much on a too weak xD

More RNG updates :p

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-21 01:45 am UTC (link)
Could you share a little more info about this distance plugin? I know you said it has to do with the windower, but I noticed you were using the distance plugin w/o the windower, how?



Also I just want to say I love the LJ, Keep up the great progress and lol yea more RNG updates! :P

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[info]rukenshin
2005-08-21 01:51 am UTC (link)
I always have windower open.. If you download the latest version and then after getting it setup, type: plugin_load "Distance", it'll bring up a number in the top right corner that tells you your range from the mob.

And thanks... But I can't update with RNG info if I'm on other jobs :p, and lately I've been asked to be on NIN more often then not... And of course farming and such will always be on NIN.

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-21 02:13 am UTC (link)
:( with the windower my mouse behaves crazy and everything looks crappier, did you add another plugin or somethin, also how do you get it to go full screen in windower mode?

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[info]rukenshin
2005-08-21 03:11 am UTC (link)
lol, sounds like you have everything set to default.. Go to the folder that you extracted windower too and look for the file that says something about your Configuration. In that file change the resolution to whatever you normally would have on your PC (1024x728 is common I think).. There's also an option there to keep it on full screen mode.

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-21 01:58 pm UTC (link)
Ruke <3, Thanks for the windower help!

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[info]celeras
2005-08-21 03:46 am UTC (link)
You forgot to block out your gil in on of the pics.

7,386,054, pwned :D

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[info]rukenshin
2005-08-21 04:02 am UTC (link)
;;

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o_O
[info]guil_gosai
2005-08-22 05:55 pm UTC (link)
Great job on holding faffy with 2 people for that long. Does your server have any rules about how many people you have to have to claim a King? O.o ours is like you have to have 8 people or something(just common curtousy amongst NA players :P). Obviously there isn't one on your server >.> But great job on all the ..coolness :o

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Re: o_O
[info]rukenshin
2005-08-29 06:34 am UTC (link)
Nope, no rules like that on our server... Good thing.^^;

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[info]jamz_seraph
2005-08-23 12:36 pm UTC (link)
When I learned that you two were the only ones in Aery, and that you pulled... I was doing my absolute best to run there and do what I could to help out. When I arrived, I was wondering how long you guys have been holding. To me, it seemed like only a few minutes... I never knew you guys held it for 10 minutes O.O

When everyone else came and you and Baud duo NIN tanked, I can honestly say it was the first time I've felt pretty useless in Aery. Duo'ing NIN tanks seem to work really well that day, so I just sat and healed and let things happen as they happened. Nice job holding and tanking... it was pretty nice to watch ^^;

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[info]rukenshin
2005-08-23 04:29 pm UTC (link)
lol, trust me.. You and gil were far from useless, without the extra cures, flash, and backup tanking at the end it would've have gone nerely as smooth. Thanks though for the compliments. :)

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[info]amlaruil
2005-08-29 07:05 pm UTC (link)
It's amusing to think of paladins as backup tanks, but they do a great job at it. They can spam Cure IV as much as they want, and it's not a bad thing if they get hate. I might almost want a taru pld with full mp gear in place of a second whm in some situations.

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[info]vanikffxi
2005-09-13 11:34 pm UTC (link)
hey ruke, im always going through your LJ, lots of awesome info. ^_^

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